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GriftGFX

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-05 22:41:01

Did no one listen to his speech? The people who voted for him did, and we understand the message: This isn't about Obama, it's about us, and this isn't the change we seek but the chance to make that change. As the man said, we won't get there in one year, and we may not get there in one term, but we'll get there and we'll do it together. No one is expecting a miracle. We're expecting leadership.

FireWire

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-05 22:55:42 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-11-05 22:41:01)

Posted by GriftGFX

Yes you and the other rational people in your country. But for example I saw this program where they went to a poorer part of Chicago and asked people which candidate they would vote for. Most of the people answered Obama and sometimes this was accompanied by the following line: "Because he will make live better for us"

And don't get me wrong. He probably will try to and succeed. But not in the way a lot of people imagine....

Still change is necessary and Obama seems the perfect choice.

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Tinks

Since 1146 Days

2008-11-06 02:10:52

Life will be better immediately simply on a morale basis. So they're right

Also Americans don't have to be ashamed when they go to European countries either, lying and saying they're Canadian
They can actually BE proud

PlumbDrumb

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Since 1210 Days

2008-11-06 02:23:11 In reply to Tinks (2008-11-06 02:10:52)

Posted by Tinks

Uh, he hasn't even been sworn in yet.

Tinks

Since 1146 Days

2008-11-06 03:42:36

He doesn't have to be. The fact that it happened is enough
The fact that he won is huge

PlumbDrumb

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Since 1210 Days

2008-11-06 04:22:15

I don't even get what you are saying.

Whether he won or not has no bearing on my confidence as an American citizen.

I don't have to call my self a Canadian to feel good about myself.

GriftGFX

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-06 04:25:55 In reply to PlumbDrumb (2008-11-06 04:22:15)

Posted by PlumbDrumb

Whether he won or not has no bearing on my confidence as an American citizen.

Oh well, worked for me.

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Tinks

Since 1146 Days

2008-11-06 04:28:39

It's well known Americans claimed to be Canadians when overseas so as not to deal with backlash of coming from a country led by George W Bush

I'm saying the fact Obama has won the election is raising morale of the entire nation. It doesn't matter if he's sworn in or not. It's a major accomplishment in our history. People everywhere were celebrating, people were crying all over, still remembering oppression and segregation

PlumbDrumb

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Since 1210 Days

2008-11-06 04:36:48

Yeah, that's all fine and good, but he's here to lead our nation, not be a token black tool.

And I don't know what you are talking about the overseas stuff.
I've been over in London and Dublin twice since 9/11 and never felt the need to call myself a Canadian.

That's just rediculous.

GriftGFX

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-06 05:55:10

London and Dublin hardly count.

And it's "ridiculous."

PlumbDrumb

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Since 1210 Days

2008-11-06 06:06:25

why don't you spend as much time criticising your own fucking posts, Grift?

Tinks

Since 1146 Days

2008-11-06 14:44:18

I'm not entirely talking about whether he's black or not

He's an intelligent brilliant person, which is a break from our current moronic mistake. People see him as our president NOW, they don't think of him as anything else even if he hasn't been sworn in yet.

Also the UK is just as conservative (parliament) as our current party residing in office. You might as well be in America when you're in those places

Megido

Since 542 Days

2008-11-06 20:00:53

I think a lot of retarded people out there will be disappointed when the grass doesn't instantly become greener. I can only reference the last election held here (Sweden) when a more capitalist oriented party won and change was promised. Sure things have changed but it's subtle and now people are whining their asses off wanting the old government back just because they are too stupid to see the changes or fail to interpret them correctly.

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GriftGFX

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-06 20:25:26 In reply to PlumbDrumb (2008-11-06 06:06:25)

Posted by PlumbDrumb

why don't you spend as much time criticising your own fucking posts, Grift?

'Cause that'd be silly? But seriously.. London and Dublin do hardly count. Out of all of the foreign nations that you could visit, you bring up two in which our relations have hardly been strained by the last four years. England, for better or worse, has supported us at every turn. If you actually ya know, watch the news and pay attention to current events, then you'd know that this has already had a major impact all across the world.

People interviewed across the streets of France, for example, say that they're proud of what we've done.. and their leadership believes that this opens a new page on our relationship. Our brothers in revolution haven't exactly been pleased with us. Spain and Germany too, seem to believe that this is a new dawn for foreign relations with the United States.

And shit, that's just Europe.

If you can't see that, that's not our fault.

FireWire

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-06 22:01:43 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-11-06 20:25:26)

Posted by GriftGFX

And shit, that's just Europe.

Well not to take sides, but I've met a lot of American's who react just like Plumb says.
Most of em don't want to tell people they are from the US. They hope other people don't notice (good luck with that accent). And I can understand the behavior.
Most people have a prejudice towards American's. And although I try to keep the prejudice to a low level, most of the time the prejudice got justified.
Now I'm not trying to start a flame war here, cause I've made some great American friends over the years. But you must understand that the American's who travel (under 20% of the American's have a Passport: http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2003/01/31/how_...)
have to deal with these kind of issues...

Hell every Canadian I've met had at least one Canadian flag either on their clothes, backpack or a tattoo. And asking them about it always gives this answer: We don't want to be seen as an American.

GriftGFX

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-06 22:59:45

That's exactly what Tink's was talking about.

FireWire

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-06 23:10:46

AirMilf:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42384.html?type...

Optimusv2

Since 1109 Days

2008-11-07 19:50:53 In reply to GriftGFX (2008-11-05 22:41:01)

Posted by GriftGFX

Amazingly well said. He made it a point to bring people down to the realities of the challenges facing him as President and the rest of us as a nation. There are some with unrealistic expectations and he wants to make it clear to them that nothing will be fixed at the snap of a finger. There will be many more months of hard times under an Obama presidency. Jobs will be lost, businesses will under-perform and risk bankruptcy. What I'm confident of is the fact that Obama will have his priorities straight and take the necessary steps to soften the blow of our financial situation as much as possible by doing his best to put people back to work, to bring the middle class up to speed by restoring fairness to our tax code, to seriously tackle our much needed energy independence along with a whole host of other great challenges.

He will look to end this iraq war responsibly, because unless something happens to end this war in iraq under an obama presidency, it will almost assuredly not happen because for those that would wish to stubbornly continue this war as if it's outright taboo to end a war that doesn't make sense, a foot has to be put down. The attitude that supporters of the iraq war are taking right now is one that basically suggests that if people were thinking like they are now, we would have never left Vietnam. We left Vietnam then and we can surely leave Iraq now.

Should Obama follow through on ending this war, it will serve as a healthy deterrent to certain hawkish presidents in the future. It's a lot easier to stay the course on an on-going war than it is to start an entirely new one. It really goes misunderstood sometimes how much balls it really took to begin the war in Iraq in the first place.

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Inflatable

Since 1854 Days

2008-11-08 02:53:59

Talk about unnessesary wars.. If you're an American and wonder where most of your taxmoney is going to, check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13zCc9JW_wI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Eisenhower warned for it, and unfortunatly it happened..

Even McCain saw the problem (before he went truely rightwing republican for the 2008 election)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RbOjow2AaY

Yet they cannot (read: don't want to) afford decent education and healthcare for everybody in the country..

Will Obama have any chance of really changing things? I doubt it.. But we'll see..

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Optimusv2

Since 1109 Days

2008-11-08 08:52:08

Obama's pick of Rahm Emanuel is evidence enough he intends to get things done :)

Oh and that stimulus package that Obama wants to have passed? It's actually pretty intelligently targeted. A president that appears to want to make sure that whatever he's doing actually works before he proceeds with it and appears to have gone for the absolutely most beneficial among the available early short-term options?

Is he deliberately attempting to do a good job? I almost forgot what that was like.

Oh and there is already a major shift in Iraqi politicians willingness to arrive at an agreement for the pullout of us troops saying they didn't have much trust of the republicans, but that they trust Obama to keep the promise of a withdrawal and are much more willing to to move forward under an Obama Presidency. Didn't take very long for that shift at all.

Tinks

Since 1146 Days

2008-11-08 16:11:53

This is kinda off topic of this thread, but...

Is anyone else enjoying the gas price outcome of this economy right now? My state is almost down to two dollars a gallon and I am loving it so much

Optimusv2

Since 1109 Days

2008-11-08 20:07:15 In reply to Tinks (2008-11-08 16:11:53)

Posted by Tinks

This is kinda off topic of this thread, but...

Is anyone else enjoying the gas price outcome of this economy right now? My state is almost down to two dollars a gallon and I am loving it so much

It's nice for the time being, but we have to seek out a serious alternative energy policy because some of the countries we got oil from have gotten very use to the high gas prices and won't be so enthusiastic to see the price go down and will react by cutting production as a way to bring the price back up.

GriftGFX

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Since 1217 Days

2008-11-08 21:12:44 In reply to Tinks (2008-11-08 16:11:53)

Posted by Tinks

This is kinda off topic of this thread, but...

Is anyone else enjoying the gas price outcome of this economy right now? My state is almost down to two dollars a gallon and I am loving it so much

It's insane. I've never seen anything like it before in my life. Go gas!

Optimusv2

Since 1109 Days

2008-11-09 03:12:12

These show perfectly how idiotic the Bush tax cuts have been.

http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2004/0919usecono...

· Making the tax cuts permanent would generate large, backloaded revenue losses over the next 10 years. Combined with a minimal but necessary fix to the government's Alternative Minimum Tax, making the tax cuts permanent would reduce federal revenues by almost $1.8 trillion over 10 years — and that's in addition to the $1.7 trillion of revenue losses already locked into law. By 2014, the annual revenue loss would amount to $400 billion, or 2 percent of gross domestic product — almost the size of this year's federal budget deficit.

· Paying for the tax cuts would require monumental reductions in spending or increases in other taxes. To offset the revenue losses in 2014 would require, for example, a 48 percent reduction in Social Security benefits, a 57 percent cut in Medicare benefits, or a 117 percent increase in corporate taxes.

· Over the long run, making the tax cuts permanent would cost as much as repairing the shortfalls in the Social Security and Medicare Hospital Insurance trust funds. Thus, to the extent that Social Security and Medicare are considered major long-term fiscal problems, making the tax cuts permanent should be seen as creating a fiscal problem of equivalent magnitude.

· Making the tax cuts permanent would be regressive; that is, it would confer by far the biggest benefits on high-income taxpayers. After-tax income would increase by more than 6 percent for households in the top 1 percent of the nation's income distribution, 2 percent for households in the middle 60 percent, and only 0.3 percent for households in the bottom 20 percent. The share of the tax cut accruing to high-income taxpayers would exceed their share of federal tax payments today, so their share of the federal tax burden would decline. The tax cuts will ultimately have to be financed with other tax increases or spending cuts. Once plausible methods of financing the tax cuts are taken into account, more than three-quarters of households are likely to end up worse off than they would have been if the tax cuts had never taken effect.

· Making the tax cuts permanent is likely to reduce long-term economic growth, not increase it. Studies by the Federal Reserve, the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation, as well as our own research, indicate that making the tax cuts permanent would increase the size of the economy slightly and temporarily but would reduce growth in the long term, in part because higher federal deficits will have a negative effect on long-term saving, investment and capital accumulation.

http://www.cbpp.org/1-25-05bud.htm

http://www.newyorker.com/online/2007/10/29/071029o...

Obama's changing of the tax code and allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to expire will be very welcomed. Can you guys imagine if John McCain and Sarah Palin got into office and those tax cuts were made permanent even with all the evidence that they have been disastrous? We would be guaranteed to end up in a far more dire economic meltdown than the one we are already in right now. It's almost scary how so many Republicans can cling to the ridiculous idea that tax cuts always pay for themselves.

The Bush Tax Cuts have more to do with our deficit than defense, homeland security, and international affairs or demostic programs. Incredible. Such irresponsibility. I've gotta wonder, just how much wiggle room will Obama have with the recent passing of the Financial Bailout and, top it off, Paul Krugman, recent economic Nobel Prize winner, is saying that the stimulus package is truly the way that we need to. It's worth pointing out that Paul Krugman was saying we were headed for this economic disaster at a time when everyone was saying it wasn't going to happen and he had people like Bill O'Reilly yelling in his face about his not knowing what the heck he's talking about.

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